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N14@162
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Topic: N14 Brake and suspension help required PleasePosted: 12 Jul 2010 at 2:06pm |
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Would appreciate any comments or web links for the following below ASAP
The car is an N14 1.4L M reg Nissan Sunny Boston Hatchback
1. The drum brakes backplate are shot. need to change to discs for rally project. 2ltr GTI are obvious choice. Struggling to find any (see wanted). Will anything else fit (nissan) easily.
Must be discs ideally suitable for comp use.
2. Does anyone know or confirm or have a 2ltr GTI in the west mids that i can come and see the rear set up.
Is the rear arms (Trailing and parallel link pair ) the same on 1.4 as 2.0gti and anti-roll bar.
Does anyone now if its different
Can you get powerflex bushes etc as only gti-r are listed
Appreciate any comments asap
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Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 4:35pm |
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i will have a look under mine when i go to the garage later im fairly sure its just the complete hub and handbrake cables that need swapping the bushes are near on impossible to get your best bet would be to either speak to someone that rally's or race's the gti or i know you can just get the gti-r bush set and most of the bushes fit
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 12:33am |
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Thanks for replying much appreciated.
Whats the chance of some pictures of the underneath running gear, or even i will try to come up if poss and have a look. What part of cumbria are you? If not perhaps a chat or i can send you some pictures. Im really struggling to sort this, no one seems to be sure.
Was hoping some one from west mids might help here.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 2:14am |
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Whiteline do a few non GTi-R bits... Superflex do some bushes too...
I'd find an N14 GTi breaker (if you can!) and swap out the whole rear end...
Surely GTi rear arms will be beefier than the ones your 1.4 is wearing.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 3:45am |
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cant remember if the rear arms are fatter the best person to ask is nos sunny gti im more of a toyota corolla gti ae92 man but im learning lol but from what i can remember you need to swap the complete rear arms and complete hub but you might just get away with hub you are more than welcome to come and look at mine if you want mate
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 3:46am |
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oh forgot to mention im in barrow in furness mate
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Posted: 20 Jul 2010 at 10:10pm |
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gti rear ARB is more chunky, im quite sure the parallel links and radius rods are the same though
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Posted: 20 Jul 2010 at 10:18pm |
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i saved this off FAST for you, looks as if the caliper mounting lugs are on the drum brake knuckle so you shouldnt need the hubs or anything, just the actual disc brake components themselves. you will probably need handbrake cables too
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Posted: 21 Jul 2010 at 12:46am |
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Cheers for info
Well things moving on a bit. Just brought complete running gear (like new) from GTi-r
got rear sub frame diff /shocks the lot. I am going to see if we can mount the rear subframe under the car. i know the rear floor pan is different and mounting etc. If we and do this then it make it ideal for road rally as there loads of uprated rally bits for GTI-r. I have a fabrication welding shop and the 2 lads ( in their 50s) can weld a tooth on hacksaw blade no problem!
I am trying to produce a car to compete with some of the lads throwing shed loads of money into escorts and protons etc. Having done and completed one of the last lombard endurance rally under 1400cc rally in a 1984 1300cc Nissan Cherry and finishing, i realised the reliabilty and power of the nissans.
If i can run the GTi-r set up front and back etc with 1400cc at the moment this will be good. We could run the GTI-r back end without diff and prop. Take out drive shafts and fit dummy drive shaft bells turned down to retain hub bearings.
Does anyone know what the rear GTI-R shafts are similar to, so we can get some cheap end or as someone got some scrap GTI-R shafts that are totally US and we can strip for end bell with spline etc.??
I will convert to 2 ltr over the winter and if we can use the RWD set up only ( as we are only allowed 2WD) this car will be magic. Im looking for information on floor pans differences between GTI-GTi-rs
Im not scared to get the grinder out, we ve put Lancia engines in escorts and alfa and rover V6s in escorts Mk5 etc, but if we can see a GTI-r rear end difference and mountings it make this job easier and quicker.
Anyone got a knackered GTi-R shell or a car in west mids we can look at??
Really appreciate comments and help/parts.
Looking for.
1. rear shell GTI-R to look at copy or buy rear floor pan.
2. reackon going to need uprated master cylinder now form 1.4 to GtIR or does anything else nissan the same. Does anyone have info on brakes etc.
3. later on this year wuill look for 2 ltr. Does anyone know if we can use 2 ltr (non turbo) with transfer box, with mods to send all drive to rear diff, this is being done by some lads with scoobys who are competing. (Rules are 2 WD only no turbos). They blank off front shafts so im told.
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karl
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Posted: 21 Jul 2010 at 8:11am |
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Use the master cyl from a almera or primera 2.2dci, they are direct bolt on to n14 gti/gtir and n13 zx servo but not sure if they will bolt onto others, they run 2 pipes opposed to standard 4 on n13/n14 but thats not a big deal.
I used n14 gti rear brakes on my n13 zx (kinda handy as i have an n13 zx, n14 gti and a gtir) the complete hub went straight on to the n13 stub axle and the calipers bolted on too.
The pulsar front brakes are a straight fit on an n13 but even then aren't great, i plan on 4 pots/2 piece discs around 285mm.
Evo 2 calipers and carriers will fit, you need renault clio 172/182 sport fr discs (280mm) with poss a 4mm spacer on the inside of the disc to centre them in the caliper (not everyone has had to use spacers for some reason and as i haven't completed this conversion myself i can't say for sure)
I have a friend who has carried out this conversion on his n14 gti and said the brakes were a big improvment (we are both working away just now so i can't ask him about the spacers, he didn't mention any when he told me about them)
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